Відео

People really sleep on the normal liberator. It does everything you want in a standard gun. Extremely high accuracy, good ammo capacity, each shot oneshots small enemies and kills most medium enemies quickly. It's also not as trash anymore against durable weakspots. Sure the Tenderizer is better in most ways, but only by such a mild margin that they both should still be in the same tier.

I’m digging the Carbine. Same damage but high rof with the 30% recoil reduction perk is awesome. I pair this with the heavy MG.

One important thing about the adjudicator is that it can actually stagger hunters!

Sickle is better for bots in my opinion

I just like it that the devs stated they didnt want the game to feel p2w when it came to weapons so the sudden nerfs of constnat items over and over turned me off on the game so hard especially with how teh damage calculation is still poorly implemented on pve enemeis

The sickle is great in low tier, but once you get to Helldive, there will be more bugs than you have bullets and that is a very big problem.

Tenderizer though many will say it’s the best AR is fairly balanced. Low mag size and high damage output only for players that can land shots on those soft spots between armor. Adjudicator is just the aim and delete rifle. Breaks up armor very well as dropping solid damage. Just can’t extend too far in range without it having that recoil taking effect.

Yeah if one of these guns needs a buff, it’s gotta be the penetrator. Give it a solid 55 damage. Just below the default liberator. Add on a better fire rate and you’ll have a nice blend of armor cracking potential, decent (though still not amazing) damage, and a more forgiving fire rate to somewhat help damage output. The gun will still have a damage rate that isn’t the best but it will be very consistent.

Use the tenderizer in single shot mode and the clip size issue goes away. That thing is insane. Also I love the sickle, but agree with everything you said. It's better on the bot front. The wind up time and cool down time issues are less problematic. Also you gotta bring a good support weapon whenever you bring the sickle.

Scorcher is still better

The rifles need to all be above 100 damage a hit or 10-12 total mags.

They lied they didn’t buff the ar’s, they gave them better damage but removed rounds per mag. Gd they’re so stupid, damage per mag didn’t even change, still underpowered!

My personal AR tier List for Bugs: S: None A: Adjudicator( For the Adjudicator its clear its the best AR in the game right now. It has medium pen, which is a massive bonus but also has great damage per shot and a good scope.) / Tenderizer( The Tenderizer is extremely good but limited by lack of armor pen and ammo count) B: Lib Carbine(Lib Carbine has great DPS and shreds up close but again lacks accuracy at range and total ammo count) / Sickle(Sickle doesn't lack in any aspect as it can expend more shots than any AR something close to double what most ARs can fire per mag, along with great accuracy. I can see why burst firing can hinder this gun you don't need to burst with this gun cause of its accuracy and the spin up is short.) / Lib Pen(The Lib Pen now has full auto with slightly lower damage and ammo than the base Liberator but makes up for it with higher crit damage along with medium armor pen. It has a very ammo/time efficient TTK as long as you have good accuracy) / Liberator(Basic but very usable and gets the job done with no major drawbacks besides ammo) c: None D: Lib Concussive(I understand the utility aspect behind this gun however that does not make it up its short comings when it comes its general time to kill being fucking abysmal. Even after the nerf its still an inferior Pummeler for no reason) I agree that none of the ARs are S tier, most just do not have the mag size nor the total ammo capacity to push them to S tier IMO.

The new liberator could use a faster reload or a longer clip but it is pretty fun imo I don’t use it much but I’ve actually brought it for the bots just to clear chaff because bot chaff is really high these days

Dr.pooplove is such an oddly charming name. Thank you for your helpful assessment, Doc. Subscribed!

The adjudicator is a gun that frustrates me to no end. I agree with its launch format, a DMR class weapon with full auto functionality and damage trade off. The problem at the time of the adjudicator’s release was that all DMRs weren’t doing enough damage within the class, why was the solution to reclassify that gun?

1st of all, I respect your opinion, I liked how to explained yourself so I could understand your reasoning. 2nd, My turn. Liberator is B, Concusive is C, Sickle is B, penetrator at the bottom, Adjudicator is N/A (haven't used yet), Adjudicator is A, and Carbine is B. In my humble opinion ofc. Too lazy to explain myself since I don't usually write comments lol.

Trick question. They are all terrible and not worth equipping

People who hack in games are the same type of person to throw a tamper tantrum when they lose

Quick answer: none. Yes, u can make ARs work with bugs low to mid-high levels. But realistically, and unfortunately, when u start diving into helldive, the only thing that really crowd controls the bugs is the breaker incinerator. Nothing can clear out a mob of small bugs to medium-small like the BREAKER-i in a single clip (support weapons not included). Compliment it with the grenade launcher pistol and impact or stun grenades, and you're set. With bugs, if it's not a hot planet, I'll do that as my base loadout with quasar and shield or sub the shield for supply backpack if I'm roaming. With the airstrikes of ur choice. Ideally, something for Titans.

The Penetrator definitely needs more rounds and damage… even at the lower difficulty levels you are constantly reloading…

Agreed on Adjudicator largely. If you can master the recoil it becomes S Tier for Bugs IMO.

With how volatile their pc port code is, I'm surprised balance is what they're focusing on months later

Definitely some hot poop takes here, but I can appreciate you sticking to your guns - no pun intended. It's good to hear a nuanced take that's not completely informed by the meta and I have to say I agree with pretty much the whole list except I am fond of the "Suckle", but some of the points you've raised are certainly valid. Those bugs do be swarming fast and I hate having to pull out the redeemer to deal with those in-your-face hunter jumps :/

We need an auto weapon that'll do heavy penetration damage. Or some of the rifles need slight increase to damage. Something gotta give to make them better but not too op

you're absolutely right about the sickle. single-handedly the most overrated gun in the game. ammo supplies aren't that necessary, you rarely die because you're out of total ammo. Most deaths come from not having ammo in the clip. and the cooldown combined with the windup makes the sickle ass in the position bugs are most commonly putting you in; surrounded. everyone complaining about hunters being op; "w-what do you mean, the sickle is making me die to them? i-i-its op! Slight more damage than the liberator and theoretically infinite ammo! so op!"

Cant wait for a video on the bots. Top weapons for me would be the tenderizer, sickle, base liberator

I agree, ARs still garbage.

7:16 I know the typical gamer response is “you aren’t playing it right” but you admit you prefer to play it a different way and that way isn’t really working. I agree spool up time hurts it a lot against bugs since so many like to get in your face (not as bad against bots since you can use the cover to hide while it’s spooling up). For those long cool down times you just gotta be running, then go back to gunning after. I wouldn’t personally bring it against bugs either though.

Sickle is literally the best, S+, your opinion is poop😊

The tenderizer is my favorite assault rifle in HD2. Very reliable!

None of them... Yet. Next

Its called there's no reason not to use the breaker incendiary

Finally someone agrees with me, the carbine has a lower ttk than the base liberator, and all I've seen is people saying the base has better ammo economy, motherfucker it's the same ammo economy, one just takes longer to kill the same enemy

I just want big mag options. We have none. It's so sad, why can't I have a 60 round clip? I'm differently abled and the less I have to reload the better for my health

Even with the AR buff I'm still using the Blitzer. The combo of the Blitzer + Laser Rover is S tier for the bugs. The only slightly annoying bug is the Hive Guard, it's not dangerous at all, just takes a bit of time to kill from the front.

Oh disagree on the Lib-penetraitor, the secret to it is full auto all the time and don't be scared to go through mags. The Lib-penetraitor is and easy second to the Judicator.

Sickle is my go-to hit and run weapon for my recon kit. I run Sickle/Senator/Grenade Launcher/Smoke Grenade, with Orbital Railcannon and Eagle Smoke.

I totally agree with how poopy the the suckle feels! Thanks for the appropriate C grade

Sickle, Bushwhacker/Senator/Grenade Pistol, Stun Grenade and Autocannon. My Meta build.

Everything you claim to be looking for in an S tier the Sickle covers.

All the primaries suck. Let’s just get that out the way. The way it is now, your primary is actually your secondary and stratagems weapons seem like primary. So in this case the sickle is actually the best choice because you’re really using it for the low enemies like bot soldiers or the bugs. I use my stratagems mainly the autocannon. But that’s arrowheads fault for making it this way.

They all suck. Still. Everything in the liberator line needs to be 100 round drum mags. You carry less total mags but are in the fight for more than twice the time.

Adjudicator is what a basic assault rifle should be. I get the absence of medium armor penetration on something like shotguns or smgs, latest liberator, since its a shorten version or an actual assault rifle, like AKS-74U compared to a AK-74M and has less riflings in the barrel. But the fact, that an assault rifle, or a marsman rifle (looking at u diligance) have only light armor penetration pretty much confronts the real life ARs. Like look at what makes assault rifle an actual assault rifle - somewhat slow firerate (totally not handy gatling or smg), huge recoil if spraying, so burst shooting required, quite a decent aim, high initial bullet speed, high stopping power. There's no way a "high caliber" tenderizer cant get through a fucking hitin. Somehow pummeler looks more like an assault rifle, judging by its firerate and stopping power. They really need to make some light machinguns as primaries for spraying playstyle and tweak assault rifle to something more deadly, something that has a decent stopping power, it should have medium armor pen in cost of slower firerate, bigger recoil and shitty horde shooting capabilility.

They all suck still imo because of their extremely low clip sizes. You’re having to constantly reload with them every 2 seconds

2:31 Did that headless Brood Mother just called a bug breach even though it already lost its head!? Is that supposed to happen!?

I'm an absolute fanboy of the Sickle. I can relate to most of the reasons why you don't like it, but imo, the gun itself doesn't belong in C tier. I'm disappointed you didn't mention how absurdly precise it is - you can literally snipe patrols at long range with it and kill hive guards up front by shooting holes under its armor plating. The wind up when firing isn't as bad as you've pictured but yeah, you need a tad bit of predictiveness in it. As for the heatsinks, i recommend treating it like a regular assault rifle and not an energy weapon with unlimited ammo - don't be scared to reload it when overheating, there's enough ammo lying randomly on the map, plus 3 backup heatsinks can last you quite long - even on helldive. When getting swarmed by hunters and other small shitfucks you can either spam dive and kill them with the sickle or just swap to the secondary. Damage itself isn't THAT bad, but could be better. Biggest drawback is probably lack of medium armor pen, hive guards and those armored bile spewers can be a pain in the arse to kill while under heavy pressure.

Honestly I want to like the Liberator-Pen but it just is not good enough, I could only see myelf using it if it could punch through heavy armor with it's other stats the way they are. That might sound ridculous but for those that do not know, keep in mind that when armor pen is equal to the armor it's hitting it does half damage. It takes a FULL CLIP of 30 rounds to kill a hive guard i you use the 'advantage' of the Penetrator and shoot it in the head, or nearly a full clip if you go for brain destruction and wait for the bleed out, whic is dangerous because they seem much harder to hit with melee to push them back than Warriors or Brood commanders. In comparison, the normal Lib/Carbine can pop terminid warrior heads in a 3 shot burst, and down to only 2 bullets if they are within 25 meters. The Diligence (normal one) does it in one round, the peacemaker starter pistol takes 2 rounds to do it. The liberator penerator CAN pop warrior heads in 3, might be able to do it in 2 due to the armor pen aiding it. But that doesn't change that in all of those cases it is being beaten by the opposition in ammo economy. And it's especially beaten out when it comes to your mags lifespan. And the Peacemaker Pistol might seem an unfair comparison but the reason I made it is that 1: It's widely considered worse than the redeemer by people. 2: I like it and use it, and as someone who uses my side arm pragmatically there is value in having to not even waste primary ammo to kill 7 terminid warriors.

Twice ammo for all of them will make the ar's fun

Bro is on console = opinion invalid💀